Interview with Vasily Lazarev who died, saw Christ and came back to life
We continue publishing the Spas (Savior) TV
program, “My Path To God”, on which Priest George Maximov interviews people who
converted to Orthodoxy. The experience of today’s guest is both dramatic and
optimistic at the same time, because it completely changed his self-destructive
life and turned him toward Christ. We will learn how Vasily got to the other
world, what he felt over there and how Christ’s love helped him to reconsider
his way of life here.
Priest George Maximov: Hello!
You are watching My Path To God. I’ll tell you right away that the guest of
today’s program experienced very dramatic events in his life that led him to
God. Non-religious people often say that nobody ever returned from the other
world. They imply that nobody knows what awaits us after death. However, the
story of our guest disproves this statement. Before we start talking about his
death and return to life, let’s talk about his background. Vasily, would I be
correct to assume that like many people of your generation [in Russia] you grew
up in a non-religious environment and didn’t know anything about faith?
Vasily Lazarev: Yes. I
was born and grew up in a different era. After serving in the army—it was in
1989—a totally new paradigm appeared. The Soviet Union broke up. I had to earn
my living somehow. I had recently started a family and we had a baby. After the
army, I worked at a factory for a while and then found employment at a private
security company. Today the company is bit different, but at that time it
provided security personnel who after hours acted as thugs collecting money
from debtors. I did many terrible things. I don’t have blood on my hands, but I
was involved in quite a few bad things. I am still ashamed of what I did, even
though I repented. Many people in my surroundings died. Some were imprisoned.
After my daughter was born, I decided to leave that path. Gradually, without
too many losses, I managed to get out. I simply moved to a new place and
completely cut off my previous connections. I tried to set up my life, but as I
had no money, I had to take odd jobs, selling stuff at the market or gypsy cab
driving. I met some people at the market who were involved in a con game and
worked with them for three years in the markets of Moscow and Greater Moscow
area. That was when I got addicted to drugs.
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| Vasily Lazarev |
Father George: How did
this happen? You were an adult then and probably knew how dangerous drugs are.
Heroin is
a very persistent demon. He grabs a person and never lets go. Two times is all
it takes to form an addiction.
Vasily Lazarev: At that
time, I had had a quarrel with my wife and moved out to a shared apartment
where I used to hold parties for a big group of drug addicts. I looked at their
satisfied faces after they took the drug, while saying to me, “You don’t need
this.” It sounded more like “Just don’t throw me into the briar patch,” so I
wanted to try it. At first, it was scary. I snorted heroin, but did not feel
anything special. Then I got an injection, then the second one, the third… That
was how it started. I think two times is all it takes to form an addiction.
Heroin is a very persistent demon. He grabs a person and never lets go. Many
people took treatments and tried to quit somehow, but only few of them
succeeded. I know only one girl who pulled it off, but it took a lot of efforts
and cost her the ability to give birth. Others died. People experienced
clinical death from overdose but still went for the new dose after that.
I
remember what happened to a friend of mine. He, his girlfriend and I were
sitting in the kitchen. We got injections and he fell down. He felt bad, so we
called an ambulance. They arrived quickly, carried him out into the vestibule,
opened up his chest and performed a direct cardiac massage… This wasn’t a sight
for the faint-hearted, I should tell you. They resuscitated him. Still, this
didn’t help him in anyway and only two months later he died of overdose. It’s
terrible. I was hooked for about one year. This is a relatively short period.
The addiction affects people differently. Some heroin addicts live for 10 or 15
years, I don’t know why, but usually a drug addict lives for 5-6 years maximum.
Father George: Was your
death also caused by overdose?
Vasily Lazarev: Not
exactly. There was a popular belief then that if you drink vodka and alcohol it
will help you quit using heroin. It turned out to be wrong. It was during the
May holidays, so I kept on drinking to quit using heroin. It didn’t help. I
gave in and on May 11 my friends and I made injections in the lobby of an
apartment building. It was in the evening, after 10 pm. Vodka and heroin is a
deadly combination. I don’t know what influences what, but the death is
practically immediate. I was still intoxicated by alcohol. I remember the
darkness as my conscience shut down in a way. My eyes closed and I heard bells
ringing in my ears.
Father George: Did you
experience a clinical death?
Vasily Lazarev: It was
the very moment of death. I didn’t feel any pain. My eyes quietly shut and I
fell and rolled toward the garbage chute. There I stayed. I only remember that
a moment later I saw as if through water and in slow motion that the girl who
was with us was running and knocking on the doors shouting and asking to call
the ambulance—There were no mobile phones at that time. My friend Sergey tried
to do CPR, but probably didn’t really know how. Then I remember lying in front
of the entrance. The ambulance came. I saw my body from the side. The doctors
were doing something, but it didn’t matter to me. Absolutely. I felt that
something was pulling me up and to the right, faster and faster. I heard an
unpleasant hum-like sound. Everything started swirling and I was carried up
through some kind of a large pipe. My thinking processes didn’t stop for a
moment.
Father George: Were you
frightened when you realized that you were dead?
Vasily Lazarev: At
first, I didn’t realize that I was dead. The realization came later. The
pulling became faster and faster. At an increasing speed, I flew through a
tunnel with semi-transparent walls. There were pictures around me that could be
compared to photographs of stars taken by the Hubble telescope. A bright light
was ahead. It was extremely bright. This was similar to the aqua park
attraction when you spiral down into the pool of warm water. I heard a chord of
some kind of ethereal music. That was when I looked at myself. Only then did I
realize that I was dead. I didn’t feel any regret. Instead, I felt joy,
calmness and delight. I looked at myself and saw my body lying in the
ambulance. Somehow, I didn’t care about it… absolutely. I didn’t feel any
contempt or hatred toward it, I simply looked at it…
Father George: As if it
was something foreign to you?
I
understood that it was Him right away. He was like a true father. Nobody talked
to me like that before.
Vasily Lazarev: Yes.
Just like a stone that is lying on a street when you’re passing it by. You
don’t care if it is there or not. Then something pulled me up, you know, as if
a warm hand lifted me up. I felt the waves of happiness and absolute calmness.
Absolute protection. Everything around me was full of such a strong love that I
don’t even know how to describe it. I was pulled through some kind of clouds.
It felt as if I was on an ascending airplane that went higher and higher. Then
I saw a figure in a shining light. It was dressed in long clothes like a tunic.
You know, I never even opened the Bible before that and never had any thoughts
about God or Christ, but at that time I understood with every fiber of my soul
that it was Him. He was like a true father. He met me, his prodigal son, with
love that you can’t find on Earth. Nobody ever talked to me like that. He did
not reproach, assure or scold me. He just showed my life to me. We communicated
telepathically and every word of His sounded like a law. There were not any
doubts about it. He spoke quietly and affectionately, and it became clearer and
clearer to me that my attitude not only toward myself, but also toward my
relatives and everybody else was very wrong. I wept loudly and as my heart was breaking
and purifying, I gradually felt better.
You know,
the following comparison came to my mind: when a potter makes a pot and it
falls, he starts correcting it with his hands… So like a potter, He was
correcting my soul that was so unclean… He made my life flash before my eyes
like a movie.
This is
known to happen, later I read about it in the books written by Moody and others
who had similar experiences. There is nothing new. I am not making things up.
People lie in order to achieved a certain goal, I think, while I just want to
tell about what I saw so that people would hear it. I am used to the fact that
many people don’t believe me and sometimes think that I’m crazy.
Anyway,
He could stop the life at any point. It was like some kind of movie. But the
most interesting thing was that at any point I could walk in and look at myself
and feel the situation from the point of view of everybody around me.
Father George: And
understand what they thought about it?
Vasily Lazarev: Yes. I
understood how you could hurt people by words. It is like… for example, the
knife and bullet wounds that I had cannot even be compared to the pain caused
by a single word. It is something that you remember for the rest of your life.
I understood the consequences of that. I understood how you should be careful
in your actions. Many people think that there is only this life and after that
there is just some utter darkness and nothingness. No, my friends, everyone
will have to answer for the things they did. Everyone.
I
realized that I had to come back to my earthly life. Images of my wife and
child flashed before my eyes.
So, He
and I reviewed those situations. Then He took my hand and we walked… I remember
that under my feet there was some misty shimmering substance. The brightest
light. There were no shadows at all, although here it is difficult to
visualize. I felt that I was semi-transparent, like in the Invisible Man movie
where you can only see the contours of his body. He took me by the hand, led
me, and shone this brightest light on me. Then we were at the place where we
first met. I don’t remember what He asked me, but I realized that I had to come
back to my earthly life. Images of my wife and child flashed before my eyes. By
the way, this was after we broke up. At that time, we had been living apart for
about a year. Anyway, I understood that I needed to come back. I promised to
Him that I would clean up my act and become a better person. I felt the
greatest sorrow, but at the same time, it was indicated to me that we would
meet again. I live by that hope since then. To tell the truth, I want to go
back there. I’m willing to go back any minute.
Of
course, even though my experience was wonderful, it could be equally bad for
those who would be in hell. I wasn’t in paradise; it was probably some kind of
a vestibule to paradise. I don’t know how to explain… That feeling was probably
more powerful than all the drugs in the world multiplied by eternity. The
explosion of omniscience literally knocked me off my feet. The truth only
brushed by me, but I realized what an endless potential we had in ourselves.
Knowing everything… There is no way of explaining it, simply take my word for
it: it is great, we won’t be bored there for sure. It was so wonderful, warm
and cozy there with Him. I felt that He was the father. The true father. Unlike
my earthly fathers… I wasn’t very lucky with my biological father or my
stepfather.
To cut a
long story short, I was coming back, as if the movie was running backwards. The
sun sets down late in May… I remember it was still sunset and I was descending
through the leaves of the tree, the roof of the ambulance and back into my
body. My conscience kicks back. I take a deep breath, feeling a strong pain in
my ribs, and grab the paramedic by the hand. He held a watch, keys, and money
in his hand.
Father George: Were
they yours?
Vasily Lazarev: Yes,
they had beend in my pockets. My pockets were pulled inside out. I don’t want
to say anything bad about the paramedics. My parents were doctors. My sister
used to work as an ambulance paramedic. I later learned that I had been dead
for 14 minutes. Of course, they no longer tried to resuscitate me and simply
were driving my body to the morgue. Well… So, I just grabbed his hand. You
should have seen his eyes when I did that. I never saw anybody so horrified.
Father George: I bet
that after that he never risked rummaging through dead peoples’ things
(laughs).
Vasily Lazarev: There
wasn’t much money anyway… I gave him half of what I had, just enough to buy a
bottle of beer. I used the remaining money to buy a bottle of beer for myself,
sat down right there and started thinking. Next day I was woken up by the
doorbell. I still didn’t fully understand what happened to me. It took me
several weeks to realize it. So, I open the door and see my wife standing
there. We hadn’t seen each other for about a year. We spoke for about an hour.
I left everything I had in that room. I locked it and we went to her place. I
never came back. Cut all my ties with the past at once.
Withdrawal
is a terrible pain. You can’t stand, lie or find any rest.
I was
still addicted to heroin, though. By the end of the day, I was feeling very
bad. For the next two and a half months I lived on the following diet: a bottle
of vodka, Dimedrol, Tazepam, Phenazepam, all taken so that I could simply pass
out for the withdrawal period. My wife was a real a saint. She took care of me.
She worked and bought vodka for me. I was staying at home. When you take heavy
drugs, you don’t think about what will happen next. You feel good and the rest
can wait. But when you want to quit, you realize that the demon is not letting
you go. You don’t have veins because you already “burned” the ones you had. You
feel rotten, shaking and literally falling apart. Withdrawal is a terrible
pain. It cannot be compared to the pain you feel when you get a cut or hit
something. It is more like rheumatic pain, when your joints are turning inside
out, but much stronger. Moreover, this pain is inside and you can’t bandage the
place that hurts. You’re twisted inside out. You can’t stand, lie or find any
rest. All of this is accompanied by various nightmares. It is terrible. And it
is very easy to stop, all you have to do is make a call and in half an hour
you’ll get the injection and everything will be back to normal. But I promised
that I would quit.
It is
extremely difficult to overcome withdrawal on your own, so it is very important
to have the support of friends and relatives and, of course, your own desire to
quit. But the most important is God’s help.
Now I
understand that it was God who made it so that my wife took care of me and gave
me strength. I wouldn’t have made it on my own.
It was a
terrible summer. But eventually I came around. Then I quit drinking. Can’t say
that I did it on my own. After all this “vodka treatment”, my skin got very yellow
one day. The ambulance came and they told me, “You have hepatitis C. If you
continue drinking, you’ll get cirrhosis and that will be the end of you.” So I
started drinking beer instead of vodka. This made things even worse. It looked
like my end was approaching—caused by alcohol this time, rather than drugs. We
went to a clinic where they use the Dovzhenko coding method. I’ve been sober
for 17 years now. And I don’t want to drink. I look at drinking people and it
seems funny, as if I’m in a circus. People don’t understand what they are
doing. After I quit, being at all those drinking parties simply became boring
for me.
I quit
using drugs and drinking alcohol after what happened to me. I got some kind of
inner directive.
I went to
work. Naturally, I stopped cheating on my wife, right away. I also stopped
smoking and swearing.
Now I
understand that all of this is related to God. He sets you on the right path. I
went to work, and stopped cheating on my wife right away. Then gradually, step
by step, I quit smoking and swearing. I asked God to help me in all my
endeavors. I simply asked silently and He always helped. By the way, a month
after my skin got yellow, I took the blood test again and the initial diagnosis
was not confirmed. I took several more tests later and the results showed that
there was no hepatitis. It simply went away.
Father George: Still,
you did not embrace the Church right away?
Vasily Lazarev: No. It
was a long journey. It was as if I had to remove all the unnecessary things
first, and then embracing the Church was like fine-tuning to reach perfection.
Getting rid of all the above-mentioned addictions was, I think, was just a
coarse tuning, and now I have to fine tune. This fine-tuning will continue till
my last breath. It is far more important and infinitely more difficult that the
first stage. Quitting smoking is much easier than quitting being jealous, and
it is easier to quit drinking than to stop hating somebody or to forgive
somebody.
I did not
embrace the Church right away. At first, I read a lot about the near death
experiences. I studied some farfetched teachings, like Blavatsky, Roerich… I
was looking for the truth. I found it only when I read in the Bible that “God
is Love” (1 John 4:8). This is what Orthodoxy teaches us. I didn’t find that in
any other teachings. Being over there during my near-death experience, I knew
that God was Love. Absolute love. It was over there that I understood it. I was
protected, loved and understood. Like a son who found his father. Christianity
teaches that, “But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the
sons of God, even to them that believe on His name” (John 1:12), “Wherefore
thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God
through Christ” (Galatians 4:7). Following this idea, I embraced the Church,
went to confession and received Communion for the first time after my baptism,
I think. I was baptized in 1980. We were in Vladimir because it was that time
when they held Olympic Games in Moscow and sent many people away. While we were
there, my mother took me to church to be baptized, even though she and my
father were communists and doctors…
Father George: They did
it simply for the sake of tradition, I guess?
After my
first communion, I was surprised, “How could it be? I had the same feelings as
I had over there”.
Vasily Lazarev: Yes. At
that time, I didn’t attach any significance to that. Frankly speaking, I didn’t
think about God or His existence until I was 20. We just live, that is it.
Probably six years have passed after what happened to me, before I went to
church… I started going to Communion once every three weeks. I went to
confession, received Communion. When I received Communion for the first time,
it was something out of this world. I’m quite an abrupt person and sometimes I
can be rude, but at that time I simply relaxed and everybody seemed like kind
angels to me. This lasted for about a day, I think. It was very similar to the
feeling that I experienced over there. The feeling of bliss. When we partake of
the Body and Blood of Christ, we become akin to Him. And after my first
communion I was surprised, “How could it be? I had the same feelings as I had
over there.” It doesn’t happen every time now, but that first time, it was
something… It almost knocked me off my feet in the church.
I
understood many interesting things when I was thinking about what I saw
overthere. The people that will end up in hell will be thrown into outer
darkness. People that get there after their death, they are… Their souls are so
sinful, that they move away from God. They condemn themselves. The more sinful
you are, the farther you are from God and His Light. You can’t approach Him
when you’re covered with the dirt of your thoughts and deeds. You are carried
further and further away into the pitch darkness, where all your fears await
you; while near Him there is no fear, only bliss. Life always ends unexpectedly
and when you stand before Him and all your deeds are exposed, nothing can be
changed. You’d condemn yourself and wouldn’t allow yourself to come closer to
Light, for its burning will be unbearable. Only similar things can be together.
It is not like the Final Judgment as it is often described…
Father George: Well,
you haven’t really lived to see the Final Judgment yet. The Final Judgment will
be at the end of time, when the dead will resurrect. The souls will join with
the bodies of the dead and then the people with their bodies will stand before
the Terrible Judgment. Heaven and hell will come after the Judgment Day. Before
that, according to Mark of Ephesus, the souls will be in a state of waiting for
the Final Judgment. Depending on the state of their souls, people will either
suffer by awaiting their future torments or experience bliss by anticipating the
future blessings.
Vasily Lazarev: Perhaps,
it was a pre-judgment. My own condemnation. I went through a lot, but I don’t
want to even think about angering God in any way. I don’t have a single thought
like that. I used to do crazy things. Now, knowing all that could be over
there… How good or how bad it can be over there… I can’t even think about that.
Earlier, I could not imagine my life without cigarettes and thought that, “If
you didn’t smoke pot or get an injection today, you’ve wasted a day.” After all
the things I learned, I quit all that. I am not a coward, but I’m on my best
behavior now. I don’t want to go there. It is frightening.
Father George: Do you
mean that outer darkness?
Vasily Lazarev: Yes.
Especially, because it is for all eternity. I also understood that in a way we
have two births. First is when we are born, and the second is when we die. In
this life, while we are in this world, we must decide who are we with and what
actions do we do. I am very lucky to have another chance. God gave me a new
life so that I could understand what love is. You just have to clean up your
act in time. As Saint Seraphim of Sarov said, “We must acquire the Holy
Spirit”.
Father George: We have
to do it here on earth, because overthere you won’t have any choice. Your words
about the birth reminded me the words of Gregory of Sinai who said, “Here on
earth, people carry the embryo of their future life that will be either eternal
agony or eternal happiness with God.” In fact, in death people get the eternity
that was determined by whether their actions were directed toward God or sin.
I
remained conscious all the time. This confirms that we do not die. I say this
for atheists, for those who reject Our Lord.
Vasily Lazarev: That was
actually what moved me to tell my story. All this is very personal… Not
everybody would tell something like that about himself or herself. I want to
attest that the personality is indestructible. I remained conscious all the
time. This confirms that we do not die. I say this for atheists, for those who
reject Our Lord. Here they hope for something, maybe for the prince of this
world to help them; but he won’t protect them over there. Over there they will
get what they deserve. It is absolutely true.
You
shouldn’t only believe, you should also do good deeds. Think—Why were you were
born? Can it be that the most complicated biological organism on the planet was
created just to pass time idly? Our life on earth is just a moment, but it is a
very important moment, as it is here that we decide if we go to Him or not.
There would be no other moment like that and you can’t change anything after
you die. Try to avoid doing evil, while you still have time, and ask for
forgiveness from people you’ve hurt. And dedicate all your actions to the glory
of God.
I’ll remind
you about two commandments that Jesus Christ gave us: “And thou shalt love the
Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind…”
and “Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.” (Mark 12:30, 31). If all people
followed these two commandments, the entire Earth would be protected by love.
In this respect, the Orthodox Church is the flagship. I think that it is the
only true teaching that leads us to the afterlife. I experienced the afterlife
personally. Perhaps, my story would help some people to think about their
actions and reconsider their ways. Many people told me, “You just had
hallucinations under the influence of drugs. Some kind of delirium that occurs
when cerebellum does something…
Father George: But the
fact that your life changed so drastically is already an evidence that that
could not have been mere hallucinations. Drug addicts see hallucinations all
the time, but they don’t change their lives. Life can be changed only by a real
experience. I think that God showed you in advance the things that could
happen, because everything in your past life led you to a different place, that
outer darkness. Through His love, God showed what awaits you, so you could make
the right choice. Thank God that you made good use of your second chance.
Thank you
very much for your story. God bless you!
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